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[birdwatcher]

Chicago Tribune Editorial. A principled option for U.S. president: Endorsing Gary Johnson, Libertarian.
Это совсем не баран чихнул, настоящая газета.
Нельзя ли договориться, чтобы мистер Трамп и миссис Клинтон теперь всегда баллотировались и дальше, на каждых выборах?

Comments

[misha-b.livejournal.com]

But that's NOT his party! That's a very natural and common misunderstanding. Rather, Trump is a third-party (Reform) candidate who took over a Republican ballot line; that's it.

He was nominated by the republican party and beat several mainstream republicans. That's a fact. Anything else is just wordplay. Perhaps the Republican party will split into two in the future, who knows.

TV: My view is that RT is too tainted by outright falsehoods and propaganda to be a forum for any principled discussion.

[nedosionist.livejournal.com]

And in my view, you are making the similar logical mistake (begging the question (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question)) in both instances.

RT: You're saying that because it is known/assumed that RT has propaganda and lies elsewhere, it should not have lies/prop-free or at least lies/prop-light forum either. Why? To the contrary, it is because it lacks non-biased content, what makes it propagandist. Conversely, if we start with the level of program, and not channel, then of course introducing less lying program improves quality of a channel.

Or, in another example, I recently wrote (http://nedosionist.livejournal.com/51385.html)about propaganda in NYT. I'm still reading it, perhaps with greater awareness.

Party: We've started (http://birdwatcher.livejournal.com/2761007.html?thread=16074543#t16074543)here with your comment: Trump, who is not even supported by his own party, does not push people to look at alternatives. This is again inverse causation: It is because he is already an alternative, that republican party doesn't support him. This is evidence, not contradiction.

[misha-b.livejournal.com]

RT: The problem is not that RT lacks good content. The problem is that they don't want unbiased content. As a parallel, if an honest and law-abiding person appears in the company of thieves and bandits, that does not make bandits more reputable but is likely to make that person less reputable.

Party: I am not sure what we are arguing about here. Clearly Trump is not a mainstream republican as his views are different from those of republican leadership and those typical of GOP in recent years. On the other hand, he is clearly a republican as he is a member of the party and has been nominated (competitively) by the GOP.