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Вот говорят бездушные корпорации, бездушные корпорации, а Волгринз, оказывается, помогает переехать в Миссури тем своим аптекарям, кто не хочет торговать противозачаточными таблетками, как этого требует шизофренический Иллинойский закон.
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Date: 2005-12-01 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ant-fugue.livejournal.com
Thanks for letting me know, I'll try not to shop there anymore.

Date: 2005-12-01 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdwatcher.livejournal.com
Правильно, добровольная сегрегация. Так и надо.

Date: 2005-12-01 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karial.livejournal.com
Well, I read it differently - they suspended those who refused to sell the morning after pill:

ST. LOUIS -- Walgreen Co. said it has put four Illinois pharmacists in the St. Louis area on unpaid leave for refusing to fill prescriptions for emergency contraception in violation of a state rule.


(Did you read the article itself?)

Date: 2005-12-01 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ant-fugue.livejournal.com
***ashamed***

I actually have not, I just read Birdwatcher's commentary.

I'll read it now.

Thanks.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdwatcher.livejournal.com
Ясно, что suspended -- что им остается, магазин закрывать, или гражданскую войну начинать? Нетривиальная часть не в этом.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ant-fugue.livejournal.com
OK, now I've read it.

I don't think that the company should be actually helping these pharmacists to get licences in MO, let alone "facilitate" the move (that usually means paying moving expenses etc).

The fact that Walgreens is willing to employ pharmacists who broke an explicit state law by moving them accross the river strikes me as wrong.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdwatcher.livejournal.com
И это совершенно нормально, ты не обязана у них ничего покупать. Хорошо бы и они не были обязаны продавать, конечно...

Date: 2005-12-01 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ant-fugue.livejournal.com
(is that all right if I continue in English? you are welcome to write in Russian)

I believe that just as a doctor must treat every patient (including gang members, prisoners, someone unable to pay in the ER, etc), the pharmacies must fill every prescription.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdwatcher.livejournal.com
Пиши, конечно, я читать умею, а писать так себе :)
"Must", ты имеешь в виду, должны иметь моральное обязательство? Может оно и так, но не юридическое же. Ты же не скажешь, что если я продаю столы, тем самым обязуюсь продавать и стулья тоже.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agasfer.livejournal.com
Если нанявшая вас корпорация прикажет продавать стулья-куда вы нафиг денетесь.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Если аптекарь работает на компанию, то у компании должны быть одинаковые для всех локальных магазинов правила. А то в одном
не будт продавать средства от облысения, в другом от волосатости.
Бардак из-за того, что в пределач одной компании произвол.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gera.livejournal.com
Может быть, разумный выход - в том, чтобы существовали государственные аптеки, где прописанные средства всем будут выдавать?
А частные пусть делают что хотят.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdwatcher.livejournal.com
А зачем? Явно нет опасности, что этими таблетками не будет торговать вообще никто. Настолько принципиальных людей, слава богу, не так много.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdwatcher.livejournal.com
Тут-то речь о государственном законе.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdwatcher.livejournal.com
В каком смысле "должны быть"? Если у меня два магазина, то это обязаны быть два одинаковых магазина?

Date: 2005-12-01 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ant-fugue.livejournal.com
Good deal. :-)

I don't think that your analogy works quite well. There is a very large time frame over which a customer can buy chairs to match a table (in my case, for the antique dining room table it took me a couple of months to find those wooden chairs). :-) However, for a morning-after pill, there is a definite time limit, 48 hours. If a woman takes the pill later, it will not work and may, in addition, be harmful to her health.

In many towns, Walgreens is the only pharmacy that works overnight, and sometimes the only pharmacy in town. Women looking to take the pill often have small chilren, limited economic means (women who can afford to be on the normal birth control pill or IUD don't take the Morning After stuff that, in addition to moral reprecussions, makes a woman pretty sick), and likely limited access to cars (one car per family, the father works, etc).

As long as this medication is approved by the FDA and can be prescribed by a doctor, the pharmacies cannot impose their own religious beliefs onto towns.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdwatcher.livejournal.com
Ну видишь какая прекрасная возможность разбогатеть -- открываешь вторую аптеку и специализируешься на morning after pills. Зачем настаивать, чтобы все деньги достались Волгринзу?

Date: 2005-12-01 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karial.livejournal.com
Be reasonable - they are just trying to curb the harmful effect of the lawsuit and prevent a mass boycotts by pro-lifers.....they went as far as a corporation can go and still stay in business in this society.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karial.livejournal.com
не забывайте, что магазины в разных штатах - в каждом СВОИ законы, вы же не требуете "одиноковости" в России и Франции

Date: 2005-12-01 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
В предлах какого-то ядра лекарств, думаю, должны быть одинаковы. А то ыа пойду за аспирином, а его нету, т.к. аптекарь придерживается религии, которая запрещает продажу аспирина.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ant-fugue.livejournal.com
I am going to answer in a way you'll appreciate.

With all the regulation involved in opening a pharmacy (there are a TON of SOPs etc one must follow, and be certified for following), I don't think it would be practical to open a Morning After pill shop.

B/c places like Walgreens buy in bulk, there is no way for an independent pharmacy to compete.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdwatcher.livejournal.com
Ну так значит надо просто облегчить открытие новых аптек... А Волгринз, как видишь, это не собирается покупать ни поштучно, ни in bulk.

Date: 2005-12-01 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agasfer.livejournal.com
И о решении частной корпорации Уолгрин ему следовать. Какие проблемы?

Date: 2005-12-01 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ant-fugue.livejournal.com
If those pharmacists are placed by the company into small towns where Walgreens is the only pharmacy, I am sorry, I don't want to be reasonable.

If they are transferred to St. Louis, it's annoying, but you are right - it's fine. If nothing else, it will allow the citizens of MO to realize that they are getting all the pro-life pharmacists from IL and pass their own law. :-) (I hope)

Date: 2005-12-01 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ant-fugue.livejournal.com
That is untrue, Walmart is buying morning after pill all right

For example, it may employ 3-4 pharmacists per pharmacy (it's a 24/7 operation after all), and only 1-2 of them refuse to file the prescriptions. As a result, the same amount of medicine is sold, the safe side effects are experienced by all customers who bought and took it, but more of those customers wil have to go on to have surgical abortions b/c the morning after pill did not work.

Grrrrrr....
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