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birdwatcherThe 28-year-old social studies teacher and boys freshman boys' basketball coach allegedly had a relationship with a 17-year-old female student, Amy Jacobson reported Thursday. (Тут имеются в виду не два человека, а один и тот же: физрук, он же преподаватель основ советского государства и права).
The junior girl told one of her friends, and word of the relationship got around.
Since January there have been five sexual encounters.
"It's a trauma to a young victim. She's a 17-year-old. This was a person of authority. So, it's going to take a lot of time and a lot of counseling to get over this," Krecker said.
А я думал, 17-year-old - это взрослая женщина.
The junior girl told one of her friends, and word of the relationship got around.
Since January there have been five sexual encounters.
"It's a trauma to a young victim. She's a 17-year-old. This was a person of authority. So, it's going to take a lot of time and a lot of counseling to get over this," Krecker said.
А я думал, 17-year-old - это взрослая женщина.
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Date: 2006-03-24 09:34 pm (UTC)Значений, как видно из привидённой вами цитаты, более одного.
Вы уверены ?
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=072000050K12-13
(part 4)
And a state legislator who helped pass the molestation law said it was never meant to police teen sex.
"The legislative intent was to protect women and children from sexual predators," said Rep. Tyrone Brooks, a Democrat in the Georgia State Assembly ^^^^^^^^
the Georgia legislature is rewriting the law that sent Wilson to prison. In a bill that has passed the House and is pending in the Senate, the crime would become a misdemeanor, punishable by no more than a year in prison, or even probation. And anyone convicted would not have to register as a sex offender.
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Date: 2006-03-24 10:05 pm (UTC)(part 4)
Короче говоря, судят его за consensual relationship.
Кстати, мне очень понравилось определение "in a position of trust". Друг - это in the position of trust? I certainly think so.
То есть 17-летняя переспит с 17-летним другом, его осудят? Кстати, может быть, наоборот, её?
And a state legislator who helped pass the molestation law said it was never meant to police teen sex.
"The legislative intent was to protect women and children from sexual predators," said Rep. Tyrone Brooks, a Democrat in the Georgia State Assembly
Разумеется, они этим прикрываются, я так и сказал :) То же самое они говорят, когда проводят законы о детской порнографии, а потом арестовывают девочку, которая публиковала свои фотографии.
И уж особенно закон про 20 лет за оральный секс даже между мужем и женой был для защиты детей.
Всего-то навсего до 1998 года дождались, чтобы его отменить. Хомейни умер спокойно, не увидев этого разврата.
In a bill that has passed the House and is pending in the Senate, the crime would become a misdemeanor, punishable by no more than a year in prison
Всего-то навсего? До года за минет?
А могли бы и бритвой полоснуть. Впрочем, это может в тюрьме произойти.
Неужели вы не видите противоречия, которое я указал выше, что за изнасилование мальчика судить будут, а согласия он ещё не может дать, маленький?
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Date: 2006-03-24 10:26 pm (UTC)Well, she was below the consent age, which in GA is 16, according to the article. Are you arguing for bringing it lower - 15, 14, 13, 12 ?
Well, the laws are often imbalanced - the boy thak kills adult will be punished much more lightly than adult that kills a boy. What you are arguing is different age limits for boys and girls. Sure, makes sense.
BTW, some states have close in age exception, so I am not convinced that abstinence is a driver for these laws. But I don't claim knowledge.
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Date: 2006-03-24 10:40 pm (UTC)Yes. 14 makes much more sense. At least when the partner is under 18.
Well, the laws are often imbalanced - the boy thak kills adult will be punished much more lightly than adult that kills a boy.
This is not what I am talking about. I am talking about a very specific assertion: he understands what he is doing when he is having sex.
Does he or doesn't he - at the same age?
What you are arguing is different age limits for boys and girls. Sure, makes sense.
That too.
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Date: 2006-03-24 10:09 pm (UTC)Значений, как видно из привидённой вами цитаты, более одного.
Если вы про номер восемь, то я такие значения как батарейки, группы, артилерийские батареи и тому подобное пропустил, как не имеющие отношения к делу.
Единственное из обычных, не юридических значений, которое имело отношение к делу (и из которого и создано юридическое), это номер восемь (the act of beating or battering).
Согласитесь, что по смыслу далеко от сексуальных ласк по обоюдному согласию. И что такой неподходящий термин был выбран не по ошибке или недосмотру, а умышленно.
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Date: 2006-03-24 10:19 pm (UTC)Sorry for English, but it is faster. Of course the worst possible term was chosen. In a state near me, driving 15 miles above speed limit is a "reckless driving", which is a criminal offense. That's how criminal laws are written.
BTW, what is msot idiotic (here and more so in drug laws) is mandatory sentence.
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Date: 2006-03-24 10:45 pm (UTC)It's not the same. What's reckless - 15 or 25 over speed limit, who's to say, it's all relative.
On the other hand, consensual kisses and caresses are not battery. There is no relativity here, it's just a false definition, and what's worse, purposely so.
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Date: 2006-03-25 02:18 am (UTC)What about consensual S&M ? Would it fall under caresses ?
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Date: 2006-03-25 02:35 am (UTC)I'll disagree on that. I like driving fast, but I do realize that speed kills.
When you go fast enough you don't have time to react, others don't have time to react, it is at least as reckless as suddenly changing lanes and the consequences can be much worse. Besides, you can't be driving faster than others without changing lanes.
What about consensual S&M ? Would it fall under caresses ?
S&M creates a separate problem which has nothing to do with age difference. Simulated rape is a common part of S&M, so how do you separate simulated from real?
I could expand on that, but I don't think it is necessary in this context.
When there are just caresses and kisses, you can't talk about battery with a straight face.
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Date: 2006-03-25 03:06 am (UTC)and a crowded one, difference in reaction times, so speed alone is not reckless.
Besides, "speed kills" is an insurance companies propaganda. Check which percent of accidents happens at 65 mph roads.